{"id":236,"date":"2008-02-13T12:30:04","date_gmt":"2008-02-13T12:30:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/?p=236"},"modified":"2008-02-13T12:33:04","modified_gmt":"2008-02-13T12:33:04","slug":"a-vote-for-a-referendum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/?p=236","title":{"rendered":"Asking for my vote"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/dalelane\/2262744292\/\" title=\"&quot;ballot paper&quot; for the EU Lisbon Treaty by dalelane, on Flickr\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" hspace=\"10\" align=\"left\" vspace=\"10\" src=\"http:\/\/farm3.static.flickr.com\/2164\/2262744292_9a99b8c599_m.jpg\" width=\"240\" height=\"180\" alt=\"&quot;ballot paper&quot; for the EU Lisbon Treaty\" \/><\/a>My &#8220;ballot paper&#8221; arrived.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iwantareferendum.com\/\">&#8220;I Want a Referendum&#8221;<\/a> is holding a referendum in ten Labour and Lib Dem constituencies in the UK. It&#8217;s even <a href=\"http:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/1\/hi\/uk_politics\/7234840.stm\">made the news<\/a>, and Eastleigh &#8211; where I live &#8211; is one of the constituencies involved.<\/p>\n<p>You get two questions &#8211; which essentially boil down to &#8220;do you think there should be a referendum?&#8221; and &#8220;if there was, how would you vote?&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>And a litle &#8220;Information Booklet&#8221; that explains the two sides of the argument &#8211; the argument against the Lisbon Treaty written by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.iwantareferendum.com\/\">&#8220;I Want a Referendum&#8221;<\/a>, and an argument for it from the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.euromove.org.uk\/\">European Movement<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>I found this booklet very interesting. <\/p>\n<p><!--more--><strong>The argument against<\/strong> <\/p>\n<p>The information booklet gives an emotive scary bullet-point list of the bad things that would happen if we &#8220;gave away even more powers&#8221; to the EU. It warns that &#8220;Britain&#8217;s power to block damaging EU laws would be cut by 30%&#8221; (?), would give &#8220;more rights for criminals&#8221;, &#8220;would be bad for jobs&#8221;, and &#8220;means even more unneccessary interferance from Europe&#8221;. <\/p>\n<p>It includes emotional examples of why EU law is bad : &#8220;the recent Chindamo case, in which the UK Government found itself powerless to deport the convicted murderer of school headmaster&#8221;, and how the EU could &#8220;interfere&#8221; in new areas such as &#8220;increasing our electricity bills&#8221; and &#8220;telling us how we should run our National Health Service&#8221;. <\/p>\n<p>And it&#8217;s got a soundbite &#8211; &#8220;Even the author of the Treaty, former French President Valery Giscard d&#8217;Estang, said: &#8216;All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised in some way.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s all very patriotic and heart-felt language &#8211; lots of use of &#8220;our this&#8221;, &#8220;we should do this for ourselves in Britain&#8221;, and &#8220;Don&#8217;t let politicians treat us like fools&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The argument for<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The information booklet has two pages of block text covering the constitutional and political implications of ratifying amending texts. It is more wordy : it uses words like &#8220;dissemination&#8221;. It argues that &#8220;Referenda are not in the tradition of the UK&#8217;s parliamentary democracy&#8221;, while admitting that &#8220;It is appropriate to ask what defines a constitutional change and it can be argued that the totality of the treaties amounts to a significant constitutional change&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>It argues that the treaty &#8220;is a reasonable and intelligent compromise between those who wished to see a comprehensive, constitutional document that clarified and integrated EU decision making processes&#8230;&#8221; and that &#8220;it is inefficient &#8230; to try and run a community of 27 counties &#8230; with institutions unchanged from those appropriate to a membership of 15&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>The first three-quarters is taken up with this discussion on the theory of referenda, amending texts and the background to the Lisbon Treaty. The last quarter is a few bullet points which tries to identify the benefits of it, citing things like increased democracy and accountability. <\/p>\n<p><strong>A fair comparison?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>On the one side, an emotional and very accessible call-to-arms from a writer trying to sound like &#8220;the common man&#8221;, warning us of ways the EU will interfere and take away our powers, if we &#8220;let the politicians fool us&#8221;. <\/p>\n<p>On the other side, a dry and dull piece on the theory behind the politics. The tone is like that of a lecturer explaining something complex to a student &#8211; trying to explain the facts but not trying to connect on any emotional level.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not saying I don&#8217;t like the second piece. In many ways, I prefer an argument to be made by presenting the facts of a case without resorting to emotion.  <\/p>\n<p>But the contrast in style is interesting. I wonder how many people (<i>of the people who base any of their decision on the information booklet anyway!<\/i>) will make a vote based on the presentation rather than the substance?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My &#8220;ballot paper&#8221; arrived. &#8220;I Want a Referendum&#8221; is holding a referendum in ten Labour and Lib Dem constituencies in the UK. It&#8217;s even made the news, and Eastleigh &#8211; where I live &#8211; is one of the constituencies involved. 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