{"id":3694,"date":"2019-06-23T08:20:22","date_gmt":"2019-06-23T08:20:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/?p=3694"},"modified":"2019-06-23T12:23:09","modified_gmt":"2019-06-23T12:23:09","slug":"are-indie-games-better-value-than-aaa-games","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/?p=3694","title":{"rendered":"Are indie games better value than AAA games?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>This post started life as a debate with friends about whether big <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/AAA_(video_game_industry)\">triple-A games<\/a> are better value than cheaper <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Indie_game\">indie games<\/a>. We didn&#8217;t have data, the debate was just  opinions. But it stuck with me, so I decided to collect data to prove I was right.<\/strong> \ud83d\ude42 <\/p>\n<p>The plan was to plot time I spend playing games against how much money I spent on them, and use the clear correlation to prove my point. That didn&#8217;t work. I didn&#8217;t find much of a pattern, but it&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve done <a href=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/?p=1176\">this sort of quantified-self thing<\/a> and collecting the data was a pain so I&#8217;m sharing it anyway!<\/p>\n<p>To start with, this graph plots the cost of each game (x axis) against the number of hours I&#8217;ve spent playing them (y axis). <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/post-images\/190623-switchgames\/190623-price-vs-hours.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: thin black solid\" src=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/post-images\/190623-switchgames\/190623-price-vs-hours-sm.png\"\/><\/a><br \/>\n<em><a href=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/post-images\/190623-switchgames\/190623-price-vs-hours.png\">Cost against Hours played &#8211; click for larger version<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><em>The two outliers, if you&#8217;re interested, are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rocketleague.com\/\">Rocket League<\/a> (top dot on the left) and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.zelda.com\/breath-of-the-wild\/\">Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild<\/a> (top dot on the right).<\/em> <\/p>\n<p>Is there a pattern there? The outliers screw the y-axis a bit, but if you ignore them maybe there is a bit of a trend. <\/p>\n<p>What if I plot cost-per-hour instead? That would be a better description of &#8220;value&#8221; anyway. Spending \u00a35 on a game that I play for 20 hours is better value than spending \u00a320 on a game that I play for 30 hours. <\/p>\n<p>This graph plots the cost of each game (x axis) against the cost-divided-by-number-of-hours-played (y axis). <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/post-images\/190623-switchgames\/190623-price-vs-costperhour.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: thin black solid\" src=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/post-images\/190623-switchgames\/190623-price-vs-costperhour-sm.png\"\/><\/a><br \/>\n<em><a href=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/post-images\/190623-switchgames\/190623-price-vs-costperhour.png\">Cost against Cost per hour &#8211; click for larger version<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Not much of a trend here, either. I was hoping there would be a clear difference between the cost-per-hour of the indies on the left and the AAA&#8217;s on the right. <\/p>\n<p>I guess if there is a conclusion, it&#8217;s that, ignoring a few outliers, all games seem to be in the same cost-per-hour ballpark. <\/p>\n<p>Including the time that my kids spend playing the same video games maybe gives a more accurate view of the value we get from buying a game. <\/p>\n<p>This plots the price against the total number hours we&#8217;ve all spent. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/post-images\/190623-switchgames\/190623-price-vs-hoursfamily.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: thin black solid\" src=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/post-images\/190623-switchgames\/190623-price-vs-hoursfamily-sm.png\"\/><\/a><br \/>\n<em><a href=\"\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/post-images\/190623-switchgames\/190623-price-vs-hoursfamily.png\">Cost against Hours played (family) &#8211; click for larger version<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>It doesn&#8217;t really change the graph much, as games they played a lot (e.g. Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey) are games I&#8217;ve played a lot too. It mostly stretches out the y-axis a bit. <\/p>\n<p><strong>If you can think of something interesting or enlightening to do with the data, I&#8217;ve put it on <a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/spreadsheets\/d\/1px1YeBB4yOTA3jZhrOkQPTEvMSRZLyaF0R_dmJb2clA\/edit?usp=sharing\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Google Sheets<\/a>.<\/strong> <\/p>\n<p>There are plenty of flaws here in this as an attempt to answer the question. For one thing, this is just my personal data. I&#8217;ve got no reason to think that my experience is representative. <\/p>\n<p>Nintendo makes it super hard to get this data. The Switch only displays play time data for the most recently started games, so I had to start each game briefly to fill out the spreadsheet. Where&#8217;s a handy JSON API when you want one?<\/p>\n<p>Even then, they don&#8217;t give precise data. Until 5 hours, they report data in 1 hour thresholds. After that, they report after every 5 hours. (e.g. 9 hours and 55 minutes is reported as &#8220;over 5 hours&#8221;). <\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t buy some of the games &#8211; they were gifts. I was too polite to ask how much was spent on them, so made my best guess. <\/p>\n<p>This all means there is a pretty big margin of error in the data. <\/p>\n<p>Finally, in collecting this, it made me realise that hours played isn&#8217;t the best measure of the value I get from a game anyway. <\/p>\n<p>For example, <a href=\"http:\/\/minitgame.com\/\">Minit<\/a> is a game where you live for a minute before you die and go back to the start. It took me a few enjoyable hours to complete this intriguing little game. Would it have been better if the developers had stretched it out to four or five hours? The value I got from it came from it being original and quirky. It was as long as it needed to be. I wouldn&#8217;t have wanted to need to spend 50 hours to complete it. <\/p>\n<p>The same is true for several games, not just short indies. <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wolfenstein_II:_The_New_Colossus\">Wolfenstein II<\/a> was a complete and enjoyable story-driven experience. I finished the main story, found the collectibles and unlocked and finished the final bonus level in 30 hours. That was enough. It wouldn&#8217;t have been a better story if it had lasted 100 hours.<\/p>\n<p>So, to sum up. <\/p>\n<p><strong>The data was harder to find than I expected, wasn&#8217;t as accurate as I&#8217;d hoped, didn&#8217;t show the pattern I was hoping to find, and the whole exercise persuaded me that it wasn&#8217;t the right thing to measure in the first place.<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This post started life as a debate with friends about whether big triple-A games are better value than cheaper indie games. We didn&#8217;t have data, the debate was just opinions. But it stuck with me, so I decided to collect data to prove I was right. \ud83d\ude42 The plan was to plot time I spend [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[588,589],"class_list":["post-3694","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-misc","tag-nintendo","tag-nintendoswitch"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3694","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3694"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3694\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3694"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3694"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dalelane.co.uk\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3694"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}